Have we lost some players?

Well, interestingly, since we are losing some folks and have been discussing how things change I have been debating about Oloric. I like wizards and bards. Really liked the concept of Oloric with the dragon ancestry and the "golden man", etc. Just sorcerer's seem pretty limited. I was debating should I multi-class into bard, stay the sorcerer, or what exactly I should do with him.

My thought so far is to keep him as is and multi-class into the bard to give some more flexibility. He'll be level 3 after this fight so I was debating about doing it right away, etc. But I also liked that at level 3 he gets metamagic as sorcerer and can take subtle spell to kind of have subterfuge be casting a spell or two secretly. With taking on bard he could really fit into a great roll for the "face guy" and he can be good at stealth so can be a great counterpart to the rogue but still filling in a totally separate role.

The sorcerer levels he can take the blaster spells Bards don't get which can be good but what really happens is he'll never get higher level spells as fast. He'll get slots and have a few more first level spells but that may hurt being behind. The main thing I liked about him was the dragon background and his AC boost without armour. I was thinking of taking magic initiate so he could get a few more spells because sorcerers are seriously limited but multi-classing kind of does that. As he levels he can swap lower level for another higher level slot but taking 3 levels of sorcer and then going bard means it's a LONG time before he ever gets even a third level spell. Slots aren't bad but boosting lower level spells into higher slots just isn't that great AND he'll never have much for damaging spells unless he uses bard magical secrets (which he can't get til character level 9 to gain 2 spells).

Figured i'd see your thoughts? Probably no more than 3 sorcerer levels but the less I take of them the better I am as a caster.

here are the last character sheets I have for both PC.

Yeah. I'd agree but the sorcerer spells known are so insanely limited that I just hate it. Hard to be able to do anything but the one or two spells you have. That's my big negative with sorcerer's. Maybe i'll only take one level of bard which will give some cantrips and first level spells (+an additional skill) and try to stick with more sorcerer then. The additional spells known allow me to swap lower level out and gain a "second" higher level spell each time I level so maybe with those extra spells I can get enough higher level spells known to fix that.

When I thought about taking a level of bard, I just thought that the bard's second level gives bonus to all skills which is quite nice and then third level gives expertise in two so I can really focus on having 2 good skills as well, etc. Maybe that and then (I guess at level 5) if i went more sorcerer still I could also take magic initiate feat or something. If I had more than one or two spells ever per level I could probably stick sorcerer with the concept of blaster type. But as mentioned I may end up not good enough at things trying to do this. However, he would be pretty good with skills.

Just thought that he's high charisma and able to be a good charismatic character which fits that role well and bard helps that end.

Malik is more of the deception/intimidation style (bad cop) and Oloric fits that charismatic appearing to be nicer (or using charms) side. Don't think anyone else was really trying to hit those roles and since Oloric can know only a few spells he can't have more than one or two useful spells at least until much higher level (which is still limited)

Stephen,

There were some feats in the playtest (I never did it but heard about them) that were slightly different from magic initiate. Would you to be willing to look at those? I think they ended up allowing you to get a spell of a higher than 1st level by stacking the feats. Like if you took the first feat for a bard you gain some spells and then take another feat in that you can another spell of bard. They all turned into magic initiate feat which just allows you to only choose a 1st level slot of ANY class but never above 1st level. I might not need it but if I find them it might help fill what i'm trying to accomplish.

I don't understand why you keep saying the sorcerer is limited. Sure it can't have as many prepared/known spells as a wizard, but it can cast them quite a lot, and it has a lot of other cool abilities like augmenting the spells and using sorcery points to regain spell slots. You might have fewer spells, but you can cast them more, and have more options with them.

Why did you choose sorcerer and not wizard? Wizard seems to be the only class that has more spells than it does. Sorcerer seems like a great caster to me.

Re look at his links. Fargrim was there but level one.

And there's the legit version.